INTERVIEW – I Hope for a Golden Era / Interview with former basketball player Dejan Koturovic by Djuradj “George” Vujcic, Canadian writer and translator.
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I Hope for a Golden Era
– Interview with former basketball player Dejan Koturovic –
Dejan Koturovic is a former basketball player born on March 31, 1972 in Belgrade. As a young player of Spartak Subotica (in the then-senior First B League West), he was the runner-up of the Junior Championship of Yugoslavia in 1991 when Spartak beat all teams in the final tournament (except for the first game when they lost to Cibona by one point). At the senior level with Spartak, he was also the runner-up of the Yugoslav Cup in 1995 where Spartak lost to Partizan by three points.
He then moved to Partizan, where he won the domestic First League twice (in 1996 and 1997) after which, with Alba Berlin, he won the German Bundesliga in 2001 as well as a double (league and cup) in 2002. With the Yugoslav national team, he won gold medals at the European Championship in 1995 and at the World Championship in 2002 where he featured in the starting lineup from start to finish. Today he has other career paths, and in an interview with Urban Book Circle editor-in-chief Djuradj Vujcic, he talked about his beginnings, his path in life and the importance of energy and freedom.
Djuradj Vujcic: What is Dejan Koturovic up to today?
Dejan Koturovic: Well, listen, I'm living, sometimes “living” which includes some idleness and time-wasting sometimes, but I try to notice the differences between good and bad intentions so that I walk on a noble path. I learn along the way as much as my personal capacity allows, in order to reach some quality knowledge in my opinion, in order to overcome some doubts, remove misconceptions over time and somehow transmit it in my micro environment. I try to enjoy this beautiful world as much as it is possible when considering how it is brought down by the bad system of functioning imposed on every living being on our planet through wrong ideals and dirty or commercial ambitions and I try as much as possible to be out of it all. As much as I can, I fight or at least strive to be on the right side of the great fighters for freedom and general well-being. I’m no longer eager for vain enjoyment and similar things like having “a good time” and idle banter because there was enough of that before. I am more fulfilled by the increasingly healthy relationship with family and good friends and new people who are also eager for healing as much as progress in informational/spiritual levels of consciousness. It's been decades that I’ve intuitively felt that it’s good and necessary that everyone should be their own doctor to some extent, at least knowledgeable to the extent that they can know and apply it in practice for personal well-being and health, because otherwise pharmacomania can easily kill you. Almost everything has gone to hell in classical medicine. There are various healthy plants protecting us almost everywhere in the world but fortunately in some countries, at least cannabis is slowly but surely progressing in a legitimate way, especially over there in Canada, but here in Serbia, unfortunately, very slowly.
Otherwise, writing helps me a lot as a kind of emotional release valve, so I finally finished one, I would say educational and entertaining book, with crystal clear emotion and for a few months now I have been interested in how publishing works so that I should publish it. In Serbia, it seems to me, as far as I have seen so far, some literary author’s work is greatly devalued. Well, we will see what will happen from all of that and I hope I will find a good solution because it would be a shame if such a wish that I have been harboring for a long time does not come true, and it would also be a shame for the readers not to browse through such writing in the form of a novel.
Djuradj Vujcic: Is there understanding or are there perhaps certain prejudices towards your life path?
Dejan Koturovic: Hmm. Well, I can’t burden myself with satisfying everyone’s taste and expectations, and popularity through the media became less and less interesting to me over time. So a smaller number of people even know that I deal with healing counseling, so the others probably still see me only as an athlete. There are people who really appreciate my commitment to personal and other people’s changes for the better. Because people are slowly learning through personal or other people’s examples that some classic commercial success can bring too much egoism and spiritual emptiness into life so satisfaction of that sort is not a measure of happiness and a good life.
Through sports, I achieved some solidly high results and thus partially fulfilled my ambitions and the expectations of others. I am grateful to basketball and some coaches, teammates and team staff. The general public got to know me as a basketball player, so it’s normal that they continue to perceive me in that direction, but that kind of life is now a distant past of mine, because after the end of that career, I soon started again from scratch and over time with a totally different lifestyle. Probably some people consider it foolishness because they would rather choose a life of enjoying the laurels of fame through some big business and the company of models and some kind of “high” society and the like. I already tried such modi as a young man, but later I obviously needed some additional more important upgrades, which will continue to benefit me, I hope, not only in this life. I am investing in eternity, so what will be will be.
Djuradj Vujcic: You often talk about ayahuasca and iboga. When did you first hear about these substances and how did they help you?
Dejan Koturovic: It was 2010 when some information started coming to me, either from the air or via the Internet and some books. Those plants, in a subtle way God’s secretaries and helpers, taught me, among other things, to be aware of my flaws, mistakes, to feel my own and other people’s darkness and to admit that to myself, to be persistent and to purify it and get rid of my egoistic motives and also wrong people from my surroundings. I mean, that’s the process, and it’s still going on, because there is no such thing as “now I'm processed and shaped perfectly” and there is a lot more work on myself, because we’re not dolls for exhibition or for sale, at least I don’t want to be, so somehow I continue to sculpt as far as I know and can, as far as my mentality is concerned, then I stop, then I continue again. Life is like a classroom, you attend classes by level so that progress never ends until eternity. Many make a mistake when they proudly declare that they have been the same for their entire lives and that nothing has changed. It is mostly a lie or a lack of awareness because under the influence of the circumstances that life brings, we certainly change whether we want to or not, as well as our body. There is no straight path in that sense.
Djuradj Vujcic: How important is it for a young person to choose their path in life on time?
Dejan Koturovic: Well, it is easier if a person is guided by good spiritual advice and learning from birth and even before that. If the father and mother are aware of this, a pregnant woman, for example, will not force ultrasound examinations of the baby in the womb because it is not healthy for the fetus and the health of the child, except when it is necessary in some problematic situations. Of course, the baby listens to voices and feels energy from the stomach, especially when the baby is already born. And the birth itself is much better outside the hospital under private supervision with the help of an experienced midwife who will of course not cut the umbilical cord immediately but only after some hours so that the newborn is still attached to the mother and thus through the cord receives the necessary nutrition and natural strength and immunity during adaptation to a new environment outside of the mother’s womb. Of course, warm attention to the baby, a loving hug, the smile of the mother and father and their harmonious relationship in peace is a good image for the baby as a basis for joy and security through love and later on choosing a better life path for that future young person. In the first few years of life, the character of the future adult is built up.
My late father and mother are good people, they were not omniscient or perfect parents, but as far as they were aware, they raised me that way and helped as much as they could. They weren’t really ideal interlocutors who would reveal to me the charms and pitfalls of life, so it was up to me how well I managed to overcome that mosaic of life through play or adversity, socializing and school. I grew up in an average family of the Yugoslav era with virtuous family members and today I am grateful to them for that, even though there was anger before, but alas, we went through various periods together and everything is better now and we understand each other better.
The choice of my continuation of the path through the teenage period and sports was wavy in the beginning, full of some discomfort and giving up. As a tall kid with an older basketball player brother, I fell in love with basketball over time only when I relaxed enough on the court with my friends from the neighborhood. I remember that I dreamed of playing one day for a team in the second Serbian league, i.e. the fourth Yugoslav one, and then I played in the last twelfth so-called “concrete league”. Over time, along with the effort and growth of my quality as a player, my ambitions also grew. It was only at a somewhat more mature age, after my sports career, that various questions came to me about who I really am and what my task is in this life of mine. I would even say that I am one of those who are late when it comes to some basic human needs for survival and creation, but it is never too late, even if it is a path that we have never dreamed of. I would advise all people to go ahead in attempts to create because the worst thing is to give up, and time is an illusory creation – a young person can feel old and vice versa. There is no need for pressure and nervousness because there is time, eternity is ahead of us, even if it is not yet scientifically proven.
Djuradj Vujcic: What would you recommend to young people who are searching for themselves but haven’t yet found themselves?
Dejan Koturovic: To remember their childhood, to play like children with their hobbies and jobs and thus enjoy what they are doing. To not lose their way over time by choosing a dishonourable way to the goal because no matter how much material wealth or fame and medals they win, no matter how tempting it seems to them, they will somehow repay their greed along the way. The development of humanity is going in the wrong direction for now, but we as individuals are responsible for our lives, which could be richer and more fulfilling if we practice being better people than we currently are day by day, even in small practical life situations and relationships. Simply living in love with yourself and the environment and nurturing it, listening to your own interests and not those of popular influencers.
Djuradj Vujcic: You had a lot of success on the basketball court and that is always an inevitable topic. Does that fact give you joy or does the title of “former basketball player” sometimes bother you?
Dejan Koturovic: It doesn’t bother me at all because basketball has brought me a lot of pleasure, exercise in perseverance, creative expression through physical movement in the game, traveling and living abroad and even more so. With some sacrifices for the sake of sport, I did not fail to open some other doors, but I must admit that not everything is so wonderful in sport, even though for a young man it is, so to speak, an ideal hobby that turns into a job. Being a player is one thing and playing as much as you can in a huge world competition is a privilege and one side of the coin, and after your playing career you realize that it was, so to speak, rape of your own body and psyche. Professional sport is not a healthy activity for either the actors or the spectators, and in reality it is one of the tools of the rulers of the world to fool the masses and waste life’s time, distracting people from important personal and collective issues, development of hatred through euphoric cheering, money laundering, advertising of unhealthy food, drinks, medicines, etc. But when you’re young and you’re already in that system, you generally don’t notice it yet and you enjoy doing it because on the one hand you enjoy the competitive game and on the other hand it brings you various privileges that you become addicted to over time.
Djuradj Vujcic: How important is it to know what to do after your playing career ends?
Dejan Koturovic: Well, not all of us can know everything in advance or know which way we should go further. It probably would have been easier for me if I had wanted to stay in the sport in any way because I had the background as a player, but I found the idea repulsive at the end of my career, however financially rewarding it would have been. I followed the games less and less, and it wasn’t fair, first of all, to myself – to fool myself and forcefully pretend that I’m some kind of athlete for the rest of my life. I know better than that and I am no longer motivated by putting the ball in the net or a competition of that kind, and whoever is interested should push themselves in that direction freely for any reason.
Djuradj Vujcic: Do you still follow basketball today?
Dejan Koturovic: Rarely. I’ll sometimes watch short sequences of any sport, and maybe accumulate minutes for one whole game a year. I must admit that I always enjoy the moves of Michael Jordan, he is the one and only for all eras and basketball was the most exciting during his era. When I was twenty years old, Bulls manager Ivica Dukan called me and suggested coming to their camp over the summer. I regret not going but for consolation, I played in a game against Jordan a few years later, so I was surprised when I saw myself in a few small frames of The Last Dance – the most watched documentary series ever. I love Jordan as do many.
Djuradj Vujcic: How much do you believe in the natural energy of each person? Can it be positive or negative?
Dejan Koturovic: In general, we have become very unnatural and lying, negative, because the TV set in our rooms has prepared and programmed us in this way since childhood, and when you realize this over time, you throw the TV out of the house, and therefore you move to a higher level of existence, and then you slowly get rid of other artificial creations like pharmaceutical drugs or bad habits and you progress step by step towards the true being within you. Everything is created from natural energy, and they forced us and accustomed us to plastic and the like, from which it is difficult to free ourselves when we realize how much we are stuck in immorality or have become unnaturally made-up mascots. I have to admit that I myself am used to city life, although I prefer nature, and it is actually one of those comfort zones from which we should gradually leave and go the path of freedom, kindness and love. I think that it is never too late for positive changes, even if one day the apocalypse of our mother planet befalls us. Because when you die one day, you carry your spiritual burden and level in your soul – your energy for the future as a sort of starting position in a race that should be a race to help yourself and others for liberation from various energy parasites that are ravaging this planet through people.
Djuradj Vujcic: How much did growing up in Belgrade/Serbia shape you? Is it healthier to grow up in Serbia or in a western country?
Dejan Koturovic: We are shaped by many things and that includes the environment where we grow up or live. I have always loved Belgrade, but we from Serbia have always had secret ambitions to prove ourselves abroad for the sake of richer comfort or adventure, and then you are happy when you come back again. Belgrade is the most beautiful when you return to it. You enjoy various charms at home for a while, and then along the way you can’t help but notice political malfeasance and the law, which is basically not on the side of the common man for the most part. Unfortunately, you also see some other bad sides, such as a lack of cleanliness in the streets and parks, sometimes poverty and uncultured behaviour, and then those who have the opportunity go out again for a short time or permanently. It is similar to when you transplant a plant from one territory to another somewhere far away... somewhere the atmosphere and climate suit you and somewhere you wither for certain reasons. Although I’ve been living in Serbia for some time now, I’ve been thinking about moving again in recent years, because a person can live anywhere when he finds his way and adapts. We have had a lot of dissatisfaction and collective bad energy in Serbia for the last thirty years or so, but it has been shown again during the last two and a half strange imposed years that freedom is still more prevalent here compared to a considerable part of the planet.
Djuradj Vujcic: What does it mean when someone has low vibrations? How dangerous is that for humans?
Dejan Koturovic: Intoxication with material or emotional emotions such as fear, hatred, envy, anger, malice, sadness, etc. – affects the vibration of the cells of the organism with low electromagnetic vibrations in relation to love, nobility and goodness, for example. Bad emotions, as well as bad food and drink, create energy in the body that, if not purified, eventually creates acidity in the blood, which is an attractive environment for the reproduction of pathogenic organisms harmful to the body. Let’s say that such energies materialize over time into tumors or any kind of mental/nervous disease, the body naturally suffers or dies.
Djuradj Vujcic: Finally, how important is it for a person to break away from the existential/material struggle for survival? How important is it for a person to be a thinking and creative being and not just a worker who grinds all day?
Dejan Koturovic: I wish we were lucky enough to live in some ideal world where we don’t need money at all and then because of that we were not lazy but more satisfied and ready to play, work, help, socialize... I think that it could come to that one day when we realize that it can be done that way, but you need a high level of consciousness for such a thing and liberation from world leaders. Today it is still not possible because we live in capitalism, but from what I have heard, it eats itself over time, so if we do not destroy ourselves and all life on the planet, by then there will be better systems, I hope. For now, it is inevitable that we earn money in order to survive, but the pursuit of small money creates stress and fear of failure to survive in a person, and for big money, a different kind of stress and immorality, but this does not have to be the rule for everyone. There is no real advice because these are all individual experiences, situations and maybe destiny, maybe karma. We are all at least a little bit different and someone is more suited to intellectual work, someone knows no other way than to physicalize, but we are all given to feel some needs and in our own way design the process of some production or service. Creative people are not necessarily resourceful when it comes to earning, but they are on the right track to doing what they love. I hope for a golden era where helping and giving will not be manipulated.
He then moved to Partizan, where he won the domestic First League twice (in 1996 and 1997) after which, with Alba Berlin, he won the German Bundesliga in 2001 as well as a double (league and cup) in 2002. With the Yugoslav national team, he won gold medals at the European Championship in 1995 and at the World Championship in 2002 where he featured in the starting lineup from start to finish. Today he has other career paths, and in an interview with Urban Book Circle editor-in-chief Djuradj Vujcic, he talked about his beginnings, his path in life and the importance of energy and freedom.
Djuradj Vujcic: What is Dejan Koturovic up to today?
Dejan Koturovic: Well, listen, I'm living, sometimes “living” which includes some idleness and time-wasting sometimes, but I try to notice the differences between good and bad intentions so that I walk on a noble path. I learn along the way as much as my personal capacity allows, in order to reach some quality knowledge in my opinion, in order to overcome some doubts, remove misconceptions over time and somehow transmit it in my micro environment. I try to enjoy this beautiful world as much as it is possible when considering how it is brought down by the bad system of functioning imposed on every living being on our planet through wrong ideals and dirty or commercial ambitions and I try as much as possible to be out of it all. As much as I can, I fight or at least strive to be on the right side of the great fighters for freedom and general well-being. I’m no longer eager for vain enjoyment and similar things like having “a good time” and idle banter because there was enough of that before. I am more fulfilled by the increasingly healthy relationship with family and good friends and new people who are also eager for healing as much as progress in informational/spiritual levels of consciousness. It's been decades that I’ve intuitively felt that it’s good and necessary that everyone should be their own doctor to some extent, at least knowledgeable to the extent that they can know and apply it in practice for personal well-being and health, because otherwise pharmacomania can easily kill you. Almost everything has gone to hell in classical medicine. There are various healthy plants protecting us almost everywhere in the world but fortunately in some countries, at least cannabis is slowly but surely progressing in a legitimate way, especially over there in Canada, but here in Serbia, unfortunately, very slowly.
Otherwise, writing helps me a lot as a kind of emotional release valve, so I finally finished one, I would say educational and entertaining book, with crystal clear emotion and for a few months now I have been interested in how publishing works so that I should publish it. In Serbia, it seems to me, as far as I have seen so far, some literary author’s work is greatly devalued. Well, we will see what will happen from all of that and I hope I will find a good solution because it would be a shame if such a wish that I have been harboring for a long time does not come true, and it would also be a shame for the readers not to browse through such writing in the form of a novel.
Djuradj Vujcic: Is there understanding or are there perhaps certain prejudices towards your life path?
Dejan Koturovic: Hmm. Well, I can’t burden myself with satisfying everyone’s taste and expectations, and popularity through the media became less and less interesting to me over time. So a smaller number of people even know that I deal with healing counseling, so the others probably still see me only as an athlete. There are people who really appreciate my commitment to personal and other people’s changes for the better. Because people are slowly learning through personal or other people’s examples that some classic commercial success can bring too much egoism and spiritual emptiness into life so satisfaction of that sort is not a measure of happiness and a good life.
Through sports, I achieved some solidly high results and thus partially fulfilled my ambitions and the expectations of others. I am grateful to basketball and some coaches, teammates and team staff. The general public got to know me as a basketball player, so it’s normal that they continue to perceive me in that direction, but that kind of life is now a distant past of mine, because after the end of that career, I soon started again from scratch and over time with a totally different lifestyle. Probably some people consider it foolishness because they would rather choose a life of enjoying the laurels of fame through some big business and the company of models and some kind of “high” society and the like. I already tried such modi as a young man, but later I obviously needed some additional more important upgrades, which will continue to benefit me, I hope, not only in this life. I am investing in eternity, so what will be will be.
Djuradj Vujcic: You often talk about ayahuasca and iboga. When did you first hear about these substances and how did they help you?
Dejan Koturovic: It was 2010 when some information started coming to me, either from the air or via the Internet and some books. Those plants, in a subtle way God’s secretaries and helpers, taught me, among other things, to be aware of my flaws, mistakes, to feel my own and other people’s darkness and to admit that to myself, to be persistent and to purify it and get rid of my egoistic motives and also wrong people from my surroundings. I mean, that’s the process, and it’s still going on, because there is no such thing as “now I'm processed and shaped perfectly” and there is a lot more work on myself, because we’re not dolls for exhibition or for sale, at least I don’t want to be, so somehow I continue to sculpt as far as I know and can, as far as my mentality is concerned, then I stop, then I continue again. Life is like a classroom, you attend classes by level so that progress never ends until eternity. Many make a mistake when they proudly declare that they have been the same for their entire lives and that nothing has changed. It is mostly a lie or a lack of awareness because under the influence of the circumstances that life brings, we certainly change whether we want to or not, as well as our body. There is no straight path in that sense.
Djuradj Vujcic: How important is it for a young person to choose their path in life on time?
Dejan Koturovic: Well, it is easier if a person is guided by good spiritual advice and learning from birth and even before that. If the father and mother are aware of this, a pregnant woman, for example, will not force ultrasound examinations of the baby in the womb because it is not healthy for the fetus and the health of the child, except when it is necessary in some problematic situations. Of course, the baby listens to voices and feels energy from the stomach, especially when the baby is already born. And the birth itself is much better outside the hospital under private supervision with the help of an experienced midwife who will of course not cut the umbilical cord immediately but only after some hours so that the newborn is still attached to the mother and thus through the cord receives the necessary nutrition and natural strength and immunity during adaptation to a new environment outside of the mother’s womb. Of course, warm attention to the baby, a loving hug, the smile of the mother and father and their harmonious relationship in peace is a good image for the baby as a basis for joy and security through love and later on choosing a better life path for that future young person. In the first few years of life, the character of the future adult is built up.
My late father and mother are good people, they were not omniscient or perfect parents, but as far as they were aware, they raised me that way and helped as much as they could. They weren’t really ideal interlocutors who would reveal to me the charms and pitfalls of life, so it was up to me how well I managed to overcome that mosaic of life through play or adversity, socializing and school. I grew up in an average family of the Yugoslav era with virtuous family members and today I am grateful to them for that, even though there was anger before, but alas, we went through various periods together and everything is better now and we understand each other better.
The choice of my continuation of the path through the teenage period and sports was wavy in the beginning, full of some discomfort and giving up. As a tall kid with an older basketball player brother, I fell in love with basketball over time only when I relaxed enough on the court with my friends from the neighborhood. I remember that I dreamed of playing one day for a team in the second Serbian league, i.e. the fourth Yugoslav one, and then I played in the last twelfth so-called “concrete league”. Over time, along with the effort and growth of my quality as a player, my ambitions also grew. It was only at a somewhat more mature age, after my sports career, that various questions came to me about who I really am and what my task is in this life of mine. I would even say that I am one of those who are late when it comes to some basic human needs for survival and creation, but it is never too late, even if it is a path that we have never dreamed of. I would advise all people to go ahead in attempts to create because the worst thing is to give up, and time is an illusory creation – a young person can feel old and vice versa. There is no need for pressure and nervousness because there is time, eternity is ahead of us, even if it is not yet scientifically proven.
Djuradj Vujcic: What would you recommend to young people who are searching for themselves but haven’t yet found themselves?
Dejan Koturovic: To remember their childhood, to play like children with their hobbies and jobs and thus enjoy what they are doing. To not lose their way over time by choosing a dishonourable way to the goal because no matter how much material wealth or fame and medals they win, no matter how tempting it seems to them, they will somehow repay their greed along the way. The development of humanity is going in the wrong direction for now, but we as individuals are responsible for our lives, which could be richer and more fulfilling if we practice being better people than we currently are day by day, even in small practical life situations and relationships. Simply living in love with yourself and the environment and nurturing it, listening to your own interests and not those of popular influencers.
Djuradj Vujcic: You had a lot of success on the basketball court and that is always an inevitable topic. Does that fact give you joy or does the title of “former basketball player” sometimes bother you?
Dejan Koturovic: It doesn’t bother me at all because basketball has brought me a lot of pleasure, exercise in perseverance, creative expression through physical movement in the game, traveling and living abroad and even more so. With some sacrifices for the sake of sport, I did not fail to open some other doors, but I must admit that not everything is so wonderful in sport, even though for a young man it is, so to speak, an ideal hobby that turns into a job. Being a player is one thing and playing as much as you can in a huge world competition is a privilege and one side of the coin, and after your playing career you realize that it was, so to speak, rape of your own body and psyche. Professional sport is not a healthy activity for either the actors or the spectators, and in reality it is one of the tools of the rulers of the world to fool the masses and waste life’s time, distracting people from important personal and collective issues, development of hatred through euphoric cheering, money laundering, advertising of unhealthy food, drinks, medicines, etc. But when you’re young and you’re already in that system, you generally don’t notice it yet and you enjoy doing it because on the one hand you enjoy the competitive game and on the other hand it brings you various privileges that you become addicted to over time.
Djuradj Vujcic: How important is it to know what to do after your playing career ends?
Dejan Koturovic: Well, not all of us can know everything in advance or know which way we should go further. It probably would have been easier for me if I had wanted to stay in the sport in any way because I had the background as a player, but I found the idea repulsive at the end of my career, however financially rewarding it would have been. I followed the games less and less, and it wasn’t fair, first of all, to myself – to fool myself and forcefully pretend that I’m some kind of athlete for the rest of my life. I know better than that and I am no longer motivated by putting the ball in the net or a competition of that kind, and whoever is interested should push themselves in that direction freely for any reason.
Djuradj Vujcic: Do you still follow basketball today?
Dejan Koturovic: Rarely. I’ll sometimes watch short sequences of any sport, and maybe accumulate minutes for one whole game a year. I must admit that I always enjoy the moves of Michael Jordan, he is the one and only for all eras and basketball was the most exciting during his era. When I was twenty years old, Bulls manager Ivica Dukan called me and suggested coming to their camp over the summer. I regret not going but for consolation, I played in a game against Jordan a few years later, so I was surprised when I saw myself in a few small frames of The Last Dance – the most watched documentary series ever. I love Jordan as do many.
Djuradj Vujcic: How much do you believe in the natural energy of each person? Can it be positive or negative?
Dejan Koturovic: In general, we have become very unnatural and lying, negative, because the TV set in our rooms has prepared and programmed us in this way since childhood, and when you realize this over time, you throw the TV out of the house, and therefore you move to a higher level of existence, and then you slowly get rid of other artificial creations like pharmaceutical drugs or bad habits and you progress step by step towards the true being within you. Everything is created from natural energy, and they forced us and accustomed us to plastic and the like, from which it is difficult to free ourselves when we realize how much we are stuck in immorality or have become unnaturally made-up mascots. I have to admit that I myself am used to city life, although I prefer nature, and it is actually one of those comfort zones from which we should gradually leave and go the path of freedom, kindness and love. I think that it is never too late for positive changes, even if one day the apocalypse of our mother planet befalls us. Because when you die one day, you carry your spiritual burden and level in your soul – your energy for the future as a sort of starting position in a race that should be a race to help yourself and others for liberation from various energy parasites that are ravaging this planet through people.
Djuradj Vujcic: How much did growing up in Belgrade/Serbia shape you? Is it healthier to grow up in Serbia or in a western country?
Dejan Koturovic: We are shaped by many things and that includes the environment where we grow up or live. I have always loved Belgrade, but we from Serbia have always had secret ambitions to prove ourselves abroad for the sake of richer comfort or adventure, and then you are happy when you come back again. Belgrade is the most beautiful when you return to it. You enjoy various charms at home for a while, and then along the way you can’t help but notice political malfeasance and the law, which is basically not on the side of the common man for the most part. Unfortunately, you also see some other bad sides, such as a lack of cleanliness in the streets and parks, sometimes poverty and uncultured behaviour, and then those who have the opportunity go out again for a short time or permanently. It is similar to when you transplant a plant from one territory to another somewhere far away... somewhere the atmosphere and climate suit you and somewhere you wither for certain reasons. Although I’ve been living in Serbia for some time now, I’ve been thinking about moving again in recent years, because a person can live anywhere when he finds his way and adapts. We have had a lot of dissatisfaction and collective bad energy in Serbia for the last thirty years or so, but it has been shown again during the last two and a half strange imposed years that freedom is still more prevalent here compared to a considerable part of the planet.
Djuradj Vujcic: What does it mean when someone has low vibrations? How dangerous is that for humans?
Dejan Koturovic: Intoxication with material or emotional emotions such as fear, hatred, envy, anger, malice, sadness, etc. – affects the vibration of the cells of the organism with low electromagnetic vibrations in relation to love, nobility and goodness, for example. Bad emotions, as well as bad food and drink, create energy in the body that, if not purified, eventually creates acidity in the blood, which is an attractive environment for the reproduction of pathogenic organisms harmful to the body. Let’s say that such energies materialize over time into tumors or any kind of mental/nervous disease, the body naturally suffers or dies.
Djuradj Vujcic: Finally, how important is it for a person to break away from the existential/material struggle for survival? How important is it for a person to be a thinking and creative being and not just a worker who grinds all day?
Dejan Koturovic: I wish we were lucky enough to live in some ideal world where we don’t need money at all and then because of that we were not lazy but more satisfied and ready to play, work, help, socialize... I think that it could come to that one day when we realize that it can be done that way, but you need a high level of consciousness for such a thing and liberation from world leaders. Today it is still not possible because we live in capitalism, but from what I have heard, it eats itself over time, so if we do not destroy ourselves and all life on the planet, by then there will be better systems, I hope. For now, it is inevitable that we earn money in order to survive, but the pursuit of small money creates stress and fear of failure to survive in a person, and for big money, a different kind of stress and immorality, but this does not have to be the rule for everyone. There is no real advice because these are all individual experiences, situations and maybe destiny, maybe karma. We are all at least a little bit different and someone is more suited to intellectual work, someone knows no other way than to physicalize, but we are all given to feel some needs and in our own way design the process of some production or service. Creative people are not necessarily resourceful when it comes to earning, but they are on the right track to doing what they love. I hope for a golden era where helping and giving will not be manipulated.
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